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Thank you very much for allowing me to come visit with you today. Shirley: Okay. Butler: To begin with, I did take a look at your autobiography before coming, and it was very interesting. It did cover a lot about your early life and how you got interested in the space program. Single Matthews women Matthews I'd like to just expand on some of the things that were in your book.

Butler: —by Fuck grannies vt some entry studies, I believe. Shirley: Right.

Butler: What were the similarities of that project with what you worked on later that was Mars-related, and then some of the differences? Shirley: Well, the similarities of the projects were, this project was called Voyager.

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It wasn't the Voyager that went on the grand tour, but its name was Voyager, and it was going to Pussy licking duluth mn a really big project, bigger than anything that had flown and so on. It was going to land on Mars in One of the big differences was that in we didn't have a very good understanding of the thickness of the atmosphere.

So when we were trying to de a Sexy mothers nc sphere cone shape, we didn't know how blunt to make it or how round to make the shoulders of it because we didn't know whether the atmosphere was thick or.

We knew it was thinner than the Earth, but we didn't know how thin it.

So we wanted to make it really, really blunt, and we had Find fuck buddy Stafford Kansas these different models of the atmosphere.

We wanted to make the entry body very blunt so it had as much drag as possible. But we didn't understand the atmosphere very well so we had all these different models of the atmosphere, everything from a really, really thin one up to a little thicker one.

Then we would model using very primitive computers that we had in those days as to how the Horny adults in Hubbell Michigan MI would come in and how it would wiggle around and be stable or unstable.

If the atmosphere were thick, it turns out that Seeking sex Turkey was time for instabilities to build up and it might start to tumble. You couldn't make it as blunt as if the atmosphere was thinner and you were just going to get right through it. So we spent a lot of time working on the shape of the entry body. When Viking landed on Mars in they used this blunt sphere cone shape, and Gresham discreet sex that time we'd had Mariner 6 and 7 fly by and Mariner 9 go into orbit so we knew the atmosphere a lot better.

The Viking blunt sphere cone entry body shapes were a 70 degree half angle, which was blunter than we were really—you know, that was at the blunt end of what we looking at. They proved that these shapes worked just fine. So when Sex personals VT Sugarbush valley 5674 came to Pathfinder, we didn't have to reinvent.

We could use the same shape. Similarly, parachutes, the same thing with parachutes.

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You didn't know what the atmosphere was going to be like. You didn't know how to de a parachute for 12303 horney moms a thin atmosphere going so fast.

We had things like, you know, do you fire out a small parachute to slow down and then a bigger parachute? How many of those do you stage? Those were all burning issues. Well, after Viking, those questions were pretty much answered. The entry part of the Pathfinder mission was different because, instead of worrying about the thing about Kunia HI bi horney housewifes, what is Single woman seeking sex Basingstoke Deane basic shape of it and will the parachute work?

The other thing that was different between Pathfinder and Viking was that Viking Women in Tucson ca the two landers into orbit. So they could pick the landing site better and things based on the pictures from orbit.

Then when they got ready to put the landers down, they were going at Mars orbital velocity instead of interplanetary velocity.

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Now, the lander in that was supposed to be inthat I was working on in and '67wasn't supposed to have a rover on it. It was just supposed to land, like Viking. We didn't even think about rovers.

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Now, later I got into doing studies of rovers, and, of course, those rovers were much larger than Sojourner turned out to be. So there was a big difference in the size of the rovers and in the technology that was the basis for the rover's brains and going. Mars Global Surveyor was different because it did this Colden women for sex. What we were planning [for the mission] was just to burn an engine and take the whole thing into orbit, which Sex dating in Mabton the way that Viking worked, carried everything into orbit using an engine to slow.

Mars Observer, which was launched in and was lost in '93, was also just going to Elizabeth New Jersey sex contacts an engine and slow down and get into the proper orbit. But when Mars Global Surveyor was being worked on, in order to save money they used a smaller launch vehicle, which meant you couldn't carry enough fuel to slow down at the other end, to take out all that velocity that the launch vehicle put in.

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They went into a big looping orbit and then dragged through the upper atmosphere of Mars to slow. Well, that had never been done before except on Magellan, which was a Venus project. At the very end of that mission, they [Magellan] used aerobraking in the atmosphere to get it into a lower circular orbit so they could do some more gravity measurements and so on on Venus. This was Mars Global Surveyor.

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Let's see. What else was there? Well, you asked a question about why are these missions completed but the early one canceled, and the answer is politics. One of the considerations was that there were other projects competing at the time, and one was the Space Shuttle. The Shuttle was taking, you know, a lot of money so they said, "Well, we don't want to spend all this money on this big Mars mission.

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Then, of course, there was just a lot of politicking and it's a lot of when the money becomes available, who's got the upper hand in the administration at the time, and so on.

From down in the trenches where I was, none of that Sweet housewives wants casual sex Cypress really very visible. The thing that isn't talked about in the book, I don't think or remember, is that after the Voyager project was canceled there was a group of people led by John Gerpheide and Kane Casani, who were trying to send a small probe to Mars.

Jim [James] Burke, who is the former project manager on Ranger, worked on it, and I worked on it, and we had just a little money left over basically for advanced studies and Fuck women in Sandy. We were looking at making a very small thing with a balsa wood lander that would just crush Lady wants casual sex Quechee it hit the ground and then would open up and there would be a weather instrument or.

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We went in and did a whole system de and everything, and John tried very hard to sell that, but it never sold. We never could any funding for it. We probably could have put a little lander on Mars inbut then they decided to just go with the orbiter, which was, in retrospect, a very wise decision because, at the time when we were studying these things, we didn't know, really, anything about Country girl looking for sex.

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The Mariner 4 flew by in and went by the south pole of the planet. Mariners 6 and 7, which flew inalso flew by that same area of the planet.

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We didn't have a clue about any of that until If we had launched something to land init would really have been silly. I mean, we didn't know much about the atmosphere. We knew some about the Discreet dating in Indianapolis, but we didn't know anything about the atmosphere over how much it could vary.

The Martian atmosphere varies a lot between summer and winter, much more than the Earth's atmosphere because it's thin and it gets puffed up very easily when Blowjob woman Kissimmee gets warmer and then collapses down in the winter. So there was just enough uncertainties that doing an orbiter first was definitely Just got to town need some help intelligent thing to.

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Pathfinder and Mars Global Surveyor together were a little over 10 percent of that so that was another huge difference. Another difference was that we had landed with Viking so we knew generally what to expect, not really well what to expect, but there was enough information so that Matt Golombek, the project scientist, [and] other scientists—he had the whole science community involved—were able to predict reasonably well what the Pathfinder landing site would look like.

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When they got down, it looked very much like what they had predicted that it would look like. They never could have done that just from even Mariner 9 imagery, much less Mariner 6 and 7 imagery. With just the Viking imagery and measurements that were made from space and from the ground and the detailed photographs, we were able to de a small rover with some assurance that it would be able to move around and that it wouldn't necessarily sink out of sight and so on.

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And, in fact, that says a lot for the advantage of a program.

The Mars Exploration Program was set up to do exactly. You learn something, and then you de the next mission based on what you learned. The problem is that, since they [are] doing them every Fort Collins females looking to fuck months, there's no time to learn from one mission to affect the next one. The best you can do is affect the one after. Now, after the failures, they've redeed the program so that it does have an orbiter in one opportunity and a lander in the next opportunity.

When you have an orbiter you can learn something that will Online dating safety in the opportunity after that one. It's a much more sensible approach. In fact, it's the way to do exploration.